RadCom - Worked All Counties

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Re: RadCom - Worked All Counties

Postby g4iar » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:49 pm

It is still under consideration.

OK, we have a link to the ceremonial counties of England, but that does not solve what to do with the rest of the UK. We need something that is consistent.

As for historic counties, when it comes to Scotland, you explain to the inhabitants of the Western Isles that most Lewis is in Ross and Cromarty and a bit of Lewis and the rest of the Western Isles is in Inverness-shire!!!! Younger inhabitants/licencees would probably not even know. Having recently been there, their identity is firmly "Western Isles".

The problem with using ceremonial/historic counties is that there are no decent maps with the precise boundaries on them.
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Re: RadCom - Worked All Counties

Postby DamianM0BKV » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:38 pm

All understood about the rest of the UK although Northern Irelands 6 counties is still in use by the Worked All Ireland Award Scheme.

The link I posted earlier possibly is not correct so try these:-

For the UK all the areas are clearly defined:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial ... of_England

and Wales has historic counties clearly defined:

and scotland has it's own Lieutenancies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scotl ... ancies.png

The counties of Scotland that are appointed a Lord-Lieutenant are called lieutenancy areas. Two of the 3 Islands are OK - Orkney and Shetland although not included.

Seems OK to me. Damian M0BKV
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Re: RadCom - Worked All Counties

Postby g4iar » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:47 am

It's not an easy one, Damian. There will be no current maps available to give the precise boundaries of ceremonial counties, only those overview maps. WAB has always based its awards on official OS maps that are readily available. Clearly this is not the case in using ceremonial counties or Lieutenancy areas. By the book, if we use LA's we cannot call it a County Award, but if we do go down the road to some sort of award, it clearly cannot be called simply a Counties Award if we use areas defined by other methods.

We have to think of Joe Public, (in the amateur radio sense). We work a lot of stations that are not familiar with WAB and need a system that they can understand. Imagine their confusion, (and ours), if you look up Welsh Counties and get three options from one site!


This is one not to rush into, there are so many pitfalls. Whilst personally I'd like to see a Counties Award back - I mooted this with the committee even before letters in RADCOM appeared as it was our most popular award - the more I look into it, the more stumbling blocks I find.


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Re: RadCom - Worked All Counties

Postby G4NVB » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:53 pm

I knew if WAB didn't do it, someone else would.

http://www.pisto.it/forum/viewtopic.php ... 5024e55bfd

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Re: RadCom - Worked All Counties

Postby g4iar » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:10 pm

This is well worth a read:


This matter has been discussed at length at committee meetings, and the mire that is English counties is one of the reasons that it was discounted.

If the people that have come up with this think that their list is stable enough to go ahead, they had better think again. They've pressed ahead with it and there are glaring omissions under anyone's definition!


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